I am trying to form a clear picture and piece the jigsaw together re the HG affair. There is more to this story than whether or not Hollie was abused by a high up paedo ring. I'm trying to figure out why the leaders of the 'Truth Movement' in the 'Alternative Media' ran with this story without investigating it. It seems only Mark Daly of Panorama did an investigation; he then dropped the story due to lack of evidence.
I believe there are a number of actors playing a role at the behest of their masonic masters. The actors are the controlled opposition lot - mainly the 'Big Guns' but there are some of the lower profile ones taking part too. Now, I can't prove that but I am working on it and whether I'll live to see it proven is another matter! It would seem that the reason this story [and other fake 'victim' stories] have gone viral within the 'alternative media' is to detract from and undermine genuine victim cases and to waste the precious time and energy of genuine seekers of truth and justice. Another reason is to speed up the process of internet censorship; after all if baseless stories such as the Hollie Greig one keep hitting the blogosphere, with the result of totally innocent people [including authority figures] being widely accused of paedophilia and other vile crimes, what better excuse do the ruling elite need to bring in controls which would curb the spreading of such information. [The PTB are in a race against time to bring in their NWO, just as much as we who are opposed to it.] Mark Daly says under the 'Transcript of Tony Legend show with Mark Daly': “People should have a pause and really genuinely think about what it is that you’re doing here Robert, about the seriousness of what you’ve done. What you’ve done is an affront to free speech, it’s an affront to it, it’s not a demonstration of it, it’s an affront to it and it’s disgraceful. And you’ll have to live with that.” https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/anne-greig/page/2/ Our ONLY weapon is TRUTH via the INTERNET. The ruling elite, with assistance from shills, troll-types and other gatekeepers are engineering ways to stop us spreading the truth. See how here. See also Secret Societies.
Much time and energy has been wasted focusing on this contemptible fabrication. What might have been achieved if so many of us hadn't been so distracted by the HG delusion and had focused instead on the genuine victims of child abuse? The effect of these evil masonic manipulations is that we genuine victims/truth-tellers are disempowered. After all, there is now so much doubt and distrust amongst the 'Truther' warriors, we just don't know who is the real deal anymore. The shills are leading us down roads to nowhere and we're left sinking in murky waters - confused, suspicious, fearful and alone. The masonic manipulators have succeeded in creating war and distrust amongst people who claim to be victims, such that genuine victims are put off helping each other. Genuine warriors against the NWO do not have the time or energy to check out who is real and who is not. Victimised by the State and now by its covert agents we genuine warriors have suffered a double whammy and our drive for truth and justice is thwarted. The other successful outcome of the HG machination is that the ruling elite can now declare that the spokespeople of the 'alternative media' are untrustworthy and irresponsible whereas the mainstream media can be believed as it is more trustworthy; after all Panorama investigated, found the story unprovable and dropped it. The 'alternative media', on the other hand, didn't bother to investigate, broadcast it widely and made connections to ritual satanic abuse and freemasons, presented as fact. The ruling elite can now claim that the 'alternative media' will believe and promote any story, despite the lack of evidence, if it concerns allegations of child abuse by untouchables within high society paedo rings. [The NWO plan is to have elite paedophile rings in government and positions of authority.] They can also now loftily dismiss accusations of cover up within the establishment and they can laugh off any suggestion that freemasonry is the corrupting, evil force within the authorities and judiciary and all realms of power, responsible for all injustice. 'Far out' stories can simply be rubbished and people are left not knowing what to believe is true. Decent Joe Public truth-seeker gives up and goes back to sleep. We sincere truth tellers are herded into the same 'conspiracy theorist ' box as everyone else or simply labelled 'mental'. The PTB war machine has many varied strategies.
Paedophle-excusing shills earn their regular 30 pieces of silver prostituting themselves spewing out half truths and outright lies. Their job is to control the awakening of the general public so that the masses do not fully awaken to the truth. Thus the NWO can continue to unfold, unabated.
Hollie is a victim of evil, lying manipulators such as Robert Green and her mother who concocted the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ story. Hollie is the only one telling the truth. She is being primed to repeat lies from people in the HDJ group; people like Belinda Mckenzie. She is a bewildered and exploited young woman and is the victim of the HDJ group, not of paedophiles. The evidence is that she was not abused; she was sexually active with her boyfriend; her mother Anne Greig sought contraception for her. According to Robert and Anne, Hollie named 22 individuals that abused her, giving their FULL names and addresses, including their professions. She is supposed to have remembered this from when she was aged 6 to boot. Such an idea is absurd. There are numerous videos, radio and tv shows of Hollie which clearly show that she has severe language limitation such that the HG story is proven to be a hoax on that one fact alone. For more proof, see http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/the-hollie-greig-hoax/ Also see http://wideshut.co.uk/hollie-greig-hoax/ where it is revealed that some of the members of the paedophile ring that has supposedly operated for over a decade in Aberdeen, Scotland, don’t even exist and other alleged victims were either not yet born or adults before they even met Hollie and have publicly denied they were harmed in any way. Furthermore at the age of 6 and for a couple of years Hollie was living in Brazil, yet there is no mention of a Brazilian paedophile ring! The conclusion being “the exploitation of an innocent down’s syndrome girl by snake oil salesmen, dubious activists, Christian fantasists, psychological manipulators, and delusional truthers”. Wideshut.co also say that psychologist Eva Harding who assessed Hollie in later years has ties with the dubious Tavistock Institute, and Robert Green met with a Tavistock linked Christian group, including MPs and Lords, who appeared to want Green to sex up the satanic side of the story in to a “satanic panic”. Keelan Balderson says quite fittingly that the "Hollie Greig story and its mythology has grown like a cancer in the truth-seeking movement. Like a cancer, perhaps its whole purpose was to kill? Kill the credibility of a growing counter culture that always seems to find itself stumbling on to the right things, only for its 'leaders' to become Messiahs, egotists or cliched conspiracy goofs. If the alternative media is going to retain any credibility, act now, expose the Hollie Greig Hoax!" See also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFm8Ii6mJw and http://www.freedomcentral.info/page.php?page=hoax2&title=$hoax2 and http://cuttingthroughtherubbish.blogspot.co.uk/
A word about Mel Ve and Keelan Balderson who I link to; despite the fact they both did a commendable job exposing the Hollie Greig Hoax, unfortunately, it transpires that they too are working for the enemy. More on Mel here. More on Keelan here. [Scroll down to p 73 of the pdf.]
The burning question you have to ask is why did the ‘Big Gun’ ‘Truthers' take the ‘Hollie Demands Justice’ story and run with it? Why did NONE of them do any research? Why did they not spot the evidence immediately? It is glaringly obvious that Hollie simply does not have the capability to utter more than a few basic words. A 5 year old could tell you that. People like Richard D Hall have made themselves look ridiculous by promoting this story. Just watching him interviewing Anne and Robert and attempting to interview Hollie is cringeworthy. Why didn’t he reach for his bullshit buzzer instead? How can intelligent, learned, capable people like Sabine, Belinda, Brian Gerrish, Ian R Crane, Bill Maloney, David Icke, Robert Green … be taken in by such a story and STILL believe it now when there is so much evidence to prove it is a hoax? Why do they refuse to look at the evidence? If Icke was a genuine ‘truther’ he would be encouraging open debate on his forums and elsewhere to ascertain the facts, but that is not the case; the opposite has happened; he was happy to promote the story internationally, but when presented with evidence that it was a hoax he refused to comment and banned all mention of it from his forums. Ian R Crane and Brian Gerrish also refuse to look at the evidence and will not engage in dialogue with anyone who questions the story. Ian Crane could only manage a limp claim that it was not his area of expertise and he also deleted all comments from his wall. Bill Maloney also refuses to look at the evidence. Why will they not discuss the evidence with the Holliehoax camp? On 5th December 2012 Ben Emlyn Jones offered his services as chairman. He said “The only solution therefore is for the two sides to come together and engage in an open, live and public debate. So far this has not happened; to their credit, the Hoax side have been the ones most forward in that respect.” http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/hollie-greig-real-or-fake.html The reply was “Ben indicates that he is confused and has decided that the only way to clear his confusion is to have an “open, live and public debate” on the intricacies of Hollie Greig’s abuse. We must apologise to Ben, because the Hollie Demands Justice campaign is not here for the benefit of Ben Emlyn-Jones or anyone else who may simply feel ‘confused’.” http://holliedemandsjustice.org/ Notice the wording “intricacies of Hollies Greig’s abuse”. Ben did not say that and he did not suggest a debate on Hollie’s abuse. Word twisting is lying. It is clear that the HDJ side are not sincere. If they were they would be happy to debate. Conclusion, the above named [and no doubt others] are all either in on the masonic plot or they're total retards or they’ve all suddenly lost their marbles. WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BELIEVE ANYTHING THESE PEOPLE SAY NOW? They have all made themselves look like complete and utter idiots and we have been idiots to be taken in by them. Anyone who believes the HG story is either off with the fairies and is an embarrassment to the so-called ‘Truth movement’ or worse is a NWO gatekeeper - a paedo-protecting lying low-life individual.
The next question is what is the bigger picture? Well I agree with Ben when he says “I have contacted both factions with my offer and we’ll see what happens. One trope the Skeptics always use is the “conspiracy theorists are not interested in evidence!” Well I think this proves that we are! Unless this debate becomes more than hypothetical then I don’t see how we can possibly move forward on this issue, and this is going to affect our credibility across the board and hamper everything else we do. So come together, guys! Let’s talk!” The key words are CREDIBILITY and HAMPER our efforts. With the HG issue muddying the waters Joe Public is going to think all of us ‘Truthers’ are barking. We genuine victims who have stacks of evidence of establishment corruption are not going to be believed and we are all going to be dismissed as ‘conspiraloons’. Of course this is exactly the plan of the masonic manipulators. As a result of the HG scam, allegations of cover up with regards genuine cases of child abuse by high up paedo rings can be dismissed. Meanwhile the suffering of little children continues and the NWO trundles on. We genuine victims have a mammoth task trying to convince anyone [even loved ones] that corruption [all masonic controlled] occurs on the many and varied levels that it does. Genuine victims will tell you: "You just couldn't make it up". When you have so-called ‘victims’ champions’ such as Sabine and Belinda successfully fuelling the disbelief, you’re really screwed. Also just to throw more confusion into the mix, the masonic controlled shills are very good at convincing people that they're genuine. For example the fake Robert Green played his part well; he was sent to prison. Green was imprisoned to make the story look genuine. It looks good to have Hollie's hero imprisoned when he is trying to get the authorities to investigate and charge 22 alleged paedophiles. It backs up the HDJ claims of cover up and collusion. This is the kind of thing [and worse] that does happen to people who try to expose upper society paedo rings and establishment corruption.
As for Ben Emlyn-Jones, sadly, it has become very evident that he too is just another evil subversive. Take a look here.
Legal Expert Chris Jarvis says here https://soundcloud.com/brian-gerrish/brian-gerrish-child-stealing-hoax [16 mins on] that Robert Green was crying foul, yet there was nothing unlawful about his imprisonment. He was imprisoned legally for breach of the peace and breach of bail. Chris and a number of parties had contacted him to give him information which would have prevented him going to prison but were fobbed off with a ridiculous excuse that RG was afraid of CJ!
Please note, I have my reservations about Chris Jarvis; mainly because he went to all that trouble of trying to use Habeas Corpus to get his friend Norman Scarth [who it turns out is just another leg-puller] freed. I will look into him when get some time.
If the HG story was not an elaborate hoax, conjured up by high up agents, RG would not have been given a prison sentence. The fact is that many people commit crimes of a far more serious nature and they have numerous convictions, yet they never get imprisoned. This forms part of my belief that the whole HG story was engineered and executed by high up Freemasons. From my own experiences of Masonic manipulations - of making things up - of outright lies [see http://sharonkilby.co.uk/site/SHARON_ANN_KILBYS_STORY.php] I can see how the brotherhood have spotted an opportunity to make a convincing sex abuse story out of Hollie Greig. They had a vulnerable Downs sufferer who is unable to speak for herself, a mother who had been sectioned, an uncle who had died when Hollie was a child and a large compensation payout. All that could be sexed up [no pun intended] with the arrival of a hero who would be imprisoned for his gallant efforts - enter Robert Green. It is important to note that the 'HDJ' campaign was born when the plant Robert Green got involved. As for uncle Roy's death, at the time, everyone, including Anne Greig, accepted the coroner's findings that he had committed suicide. [More on this below.]
In similar vein Roger Hayes went to prison. Hayes and his good chum Brian Gerrish and all the shill repeaters are spreading it about that his incarceration was illegal - secret 'Stasi' trial etc, which is nonsense and a pack of lies. Roger Hayes was imprisoned lawfully for "wilful refusal" to pay council tax. See http://fullfact.org/articles/secret_courts_summary_justice_council_tax-27504 for a voice of reason. See also http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9795535.Wirral_man_jailed_for_refusing_to_pay_council_tax/ Despite BG's proclamation that a "number of people are working as hard as they can in order to try and overturn the decision that's been made" and "this is a very, very dangerous precedent, and we are extremely grateful to Mr Gerard Batten MEP for raising the issue of Roger Hayes' case and the significance of it in the European Parliament" http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=38122 RH stated he wanted to stay in prison "for the publicity". Roger Dodger even went on hunger strike! Chris Jarvis offered his services as a legal consultant but was, again, effectively told to get lost. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3nXDLyB2g4 [25 mins on]. It's all a game to them and they're paid well by their elite paymasters to play it. Comrades, please, do not be hoodwinked by these vile creatures. CJ rightly says certain people such as BG are trying to make the system look corrupt. The problem is not the system but the secret Masonic brotherhood who are in the driving seat. Their aim is to bring down the system so that the NWO can be brought in.
Nowadays there are a number of people claiming to be establishment victims; some are genuine, some are very suspect. We can be very suspicious of the high profile 'victims' who are getting lots of publicity on well-known shill sites and who work with known shills. [These pretend 'victims' and 'Truthers' seem to have lots of time and money to appear to be helping others and to devise elaborate ways of 'waking the sheeple up'. For example, they find creative ways to make videos to highlight false flag operations such as 7/7 and 9/11; they go on various demos, engage in publicity stunts, enjoy meetings with politicians... They certainly don't appear to be suffering any hardship.] The effect of all their campaigning is the opposite of what they appear to be trying to achieve, they just end up sending people round in circles, wasting genuine victims' time and money and creating confusion and suspicion. This, of course, is the intended outcome because the real force behind those campaigns is the Masonic hierarchy. This is what we, genuine establishment [masonic] victims are up against. Here is the very effective divide and conquer and delay tactic at work again. The ruling elite throw suspicion and doubt into the pool of 'truthers' and they successfully thwart the attempts of genuine victims to unite and form an effective army. [The shills and fake 'victims' are only pretending to challenge the ruling elite. Their job is to silence and crush us genuine victims and they get paid very well to do so.]
It is so frustrating to realise now, that all those brilliant 'truther' sites and all the spirited 'soldiers' springing up all over the place and even getting themselves on TV, spreading the word and seemingly doing very effective work challenging the NWO, are in fact fakes! The elite freemasons know we genuine victims are the only people who have the motivation and determination to mount an effective challenge. The problem for us is we are few in number and are, as such, easy pickings. Also many genuine victims are already too crushed to fight back and many just can't fathom what is happening to them. Those of us who are spirited enough to try and mount a challenge are constantly under attack on all fronts. [The masons find ingenious ways to rob you of your home, possessions and loved ones, create stress for you and your kids, such that you are all constantly battling illness and they create problems for you in the workplace; sometimes so bad that you are forced to leave. They are so successful as they have all the weapons at their disposal; they create a scenario that, to anyone else, it appears that you are the problem/have mental issues... Daily life becomes such a struggle [by masonic design] that there is no time or energy left for a victim to fight back. Such resources are spent trying to earn a living, keeping a roof over one's head, doing housework, caring for family, whilst at the same time trying to record evidence of corruption, as well as coping with various State Agent Smiths who come a calling and various official meetings/court hearings...] Even if you manage to cope with such unbearable masonic onslaught, your sack-loads of evidence of State corruption get you no-where. No-one cares. Only another genuine victim of the establishment [freemasons] will believe you and will support you and will fight alongside you. It is nigh on impossible to form an effective army against the mighty masonic hierarchy. Stephen Knight says in his book ‘THE BROTHERHOOD’ : 'Only the fighters have any hope of beating the system once it is at work against them. Most people, fighters or not, are beaten in the end, though. You finish up not knowing who you can trust. You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who thinks the whole world is conspiring against them. It is a strange phenomenon. By setting up a situation that most people will think a fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person's life. If they give in they go under. If they don't give in it's only putting off the day because if they fight, so much unhappiness will be brought to the people around them that there will likely come a time when even their families turn against them out of desperation. When that happens and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat. The newspapers will not touch them. There is no defense against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists'.
I will expand on my points and give more detail of the lies and inconsistencies which prove the HG story is fake. For more detail and evidence see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSxOrwg5ejM and the Hollie Hoax site http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/category/hollie-greig-hoax/
Hollie Greig was born on 24th November 1979. The story is that at the age of 6 she started being abused by a paedophile gang. At first there were 31 alleged paedophiles. That figure changed to 22. The abuse continued for 14 years until the year 2000 when she was 20 years old and began to speak out; first telling her mother.
As far as I'm aware and according to the official HDJ site 14 of the 22 alleged abusers are named, who are the other 8? Brian Gerrish of UK Column says on 'Open your mind' radio that, in many cases, Hollie even gave the relationship between people. She allegedly gave full names, addresses and professions and she also described how she was abused and where it happened.... There is no evidence that Hollie said/is able to say all this. This is confirmed by her brother Greg and Wyn, Anne's best friend for 5 years. The evidence is that she can barely say a few words. Robert Green says he has the police transcripts of Hollie's interviews, why doesn't he publish them? [See more on this below.]
Let's assume Hollie did name these 22 people, how/where did she get the names and addresses of them, such as Jack, Evelyn, Sarah & Susie Buchanan? These people have been proved NOT to be related to the Sheriff. At first Evelyn was the Sheriff's sister.....then the sister-in-law. Both are lies!
Hollie, along with other children including Wyn Dragon-Smith's children were allegedly taken to the Sheriff's sister's house to be abused. BUT the Sheriff had no sister, therefore there WAS no house. Wyn's children didn't meet Hollie until she was 17 and they were in their 20's. The Sheriff did not even live in the area until 2000. It is stated in the HDJ 'questions and answers' sections that Hollie said she was taken along with the other victims she had named by minibus to Jack and Evelyn's house. In the Tony Legend Show Hollie said that her Father used to drop her off and pick her up. Sometimes she went on her own and sometimes her Father was there. So how did Hollie or her dad find a non-existent house? Here is an extract from an email Robert sent to Marcus Ryder of the BBC "The one positive aspect was the absolutely heroic stance of Hollie Greig, who withstood the necessarily difficult questions with calmness, precision and dignity. She is a woman of true stature and an example to everyone who has faced the similar horrors of group rape. Significantly, a very high proportion of the rapes and abuse took place in the home of Sheriff Buchanan`s sister, Evelyn."
Tony Legend of Manchester on-line Radio interviewed Hollie. You can clearly hear Anne saying "and anyone else's house" a number of times until Hollie gives the required answers. I used to look after an 18 year old Downs Syndrome girl and I got to know her very well. She behaved exactly as I've seen Hollie behaving and her language capability was similar to Hollie's - pretty much one word answers only. I also knew a 30 year old Downs man and he also behaved in the same way and had severe language disability.
Why does the court order not include Evelyn, Jack, Sarah and Susie Buchanan? The reason is that the court doesn't find it necessary to place non-existent individuals on court orders.
According to Robert, Hollie says other kids were abused by these people. These 'kids' have claimed they were not abused. Their statements are published on the Hoax site. Four of the 'victims' would have been in their 20s at the time of the abuse. Two of them weren't born at the time of the allegations.
Robert says Hollie was terrified that her dad was going to kill her, her dogs and her mom. The Edge Media interview clearly shows Hollie did not believe her dad was going to kill her, her dog or her mother. When asked this direct question by Theo Chalmers, Hollie's answer was NO! Theo appeared completely shocked and asked her to confirm she did not believe him - Hollie obliged and said NO again. Theo Chalmers then asked Hollie why she had kept quiet for so long. She then said "He didn't kill them." Theo looked to Anne for translation and Anne ACTUALLY CHANGES what Hollie had said to - "he said he would kill them".
Robert says he overheard Hollie naming all 22 individuals while sat outside the interview room, and he noted them in his notebook. There is clear evidence that Hollie is badly affected by her condition. That was clear in the Edge Media interview and other videos. Even if it were true, you would not hear clearly what Hollie would say sitting outside ANY room when most people could not understand what she says when sitting right next to her. Robert claimed his notebook was stolen by the police. According to 'HDJ' there were police raids on RG's home and on the home of Anne and Hollie, whereby important documents were taken. Well, it is just not conceivable that both Anne and Robert [as the 'official representative'] would not have made copies of everything and stored them in a safe place. All whistleblowers do this. I have copies of all my stuff [including rough notes] stored with more than one trusted person. Also duplicates can be requested if necessary. So to suggest that vital evidence has somehow gone missing is nonsense.
According to the FAQ section on 'HDJ' it is stated: " It should be noted that Hollie has the ability to use ‘Makaton’ (sign language) and when the police interviewed her they confirmed she was not ‘incopax’ and declared her a very credible witness. Moreover TWO Psychological Assessments by eminent clinical psychologists Dr Jack Boyle in 2001 and Dr Eva Harding in 2003 confirm that Hollie’s account of her experience, despite “sparse’ language was entirely plausible and did not lead to the conclusion that she had lied or invented anything. Dr Harding’s report ends thus: “It is undoubtedly the case that Hollie was sexually abused by her father and brother over a long period from childhood and probably by others who had access to her. This report is given in soul and conscience.” Well according to Robert Green, he HEARD Hollie from outside the police interview room, so she wasn't using sign language then! In all the coverage I've seen of Hollie 'communicating' she has never used sign language. Has anyone seen her and her mother communicating in this way? Is there any evidence that Hollie communicates this way?
As for Dr Eva Harding, prior to 22/12/13, I had asked the question: has the report by Dr Eva Harding [who has ties with the Tavistock Institute] been published anywhere? Since then and just after this page had been updated, the HDJ campaign spokesperson on HGJ has been taunting, ridiculing and trying to discredit me. [Notice they don’t reveal their identity. These low-life yellow-bellies, like all bullies, can only operate behind a shield and in a pack.] Something I said must've struck a nerve cos some of the posts are particularly vitriolic! S'funny cos you know that you're bothering 'them' when they have to resort to discrediting tactics and especially when they go rooting around to try and find some ammo to be used against you for when you're name pops up on popular blogs; as in the case of the HDJ/HGJ troll who went in search of some dirt on me, and managed to find a remark I'd made many years ago about Nick Leeson. 'Outlaw' went to the trouble of digging up a years old comment I'd made in support of Michael Jackson and posted it on a popular forum ... Pathetic lot.
It speaks volumes when they have to resort to these tactics. It shows they’re already defeated. They have no weapons. You see we in the truth team hold the trump card. What the enemy agents fail to realise is that Truth can stand its ground. It doesn’t matter if only one person is speaking it. They can try all the diversionary tactics they like, it won’t change the truth. It matters not a jot if I have opinions on other subjects; maybe I believe in ghosts. Such things are not relevant to the topic of HG. The HG issue has more than enough facts to prove it’s a hoax. Facts are facts, so anyone who says the HG story is true is a liar. And that too is a fact. The important point is that the HG scam is seriously undermining the efforts of genuine victims in their fight for justice and ultimately in the fight for freedom. That is not acceptable and will not go unchallenged.
On 28/12/13 HGJ produced their idea of 'evidence'http://holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/evidence-so-why-hoax-for-money-ha-ha-ha.html but nothing there backs up their claims, but rather reinforces the Hoax. They do publish the Harding report there though. However, again, there is no factual evidence contained therein. The Hoax group's findings are that "Dr Harding was not a medically trained Dr ... She was a 68 year old individual who had links with other individuals that were obsessed with ritual abuse." They also state: "The interviews consisted of two 1hr sessions with half hour sessions with ANNE beforehand. It is not difficult to come to the conclusion she did after hearing a very well coached Hollie Greig." [Published on HDJ.org on 5/8/12 http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/to-balance-the-scales/.] At about 41 mins here http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/video-s.html on the Hoax group's 'reply to Sonia Poulton's interview with Robert Green on The People's Voice', the Harding report is mentioned. Jon points out that the report is based on what Hollie says only. He asks whether Dr Harding had access to the forensic medical evidence. He also questions whether she knew Hollie had boyfriends and says that it is a shame that Dr Harding is no longer alive as she cannot be questioned. I would echo that as her report shows clear bias towards Anne since it is based on the say-so of Anne Greig and there appears to be a lot of exaggeration of what Hollie allegedly said. For example on p4 of the report, she says of Hollie: "Her allegations were consistent and were supported with details of time, place and incidental observations." Well, that is simply not believable. No evidence backs up such claims. Even her mother cannot be consistent or provide correct details! [More on this below.] Also on the same page, Dr Harding states: "The existance of further abusers is also credible and is given further credence by the unexplained "sectioning" of Mrs Mackie." Well, there is nothing unexplained about the sectioning of AG, as evidenced here http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/the-hollie-greig-hoax/ The Boyle report is published via the ‘All Evidence’ link. Again it consists of mainly what Anne says. The only reference to what Hollie actually says is a vague "she is describing sexual abuse".
The Police Complaints Commissioner for Scotland Jim Martin states in his PCCS report [p23] that Superintendent J noted in the Subject Report that the psychologist reports were not acted upon in the sense that they did not prompt any further enquiry. Deputy Chief Constable Y stated in his final letter to AG 9th May 2007 "I do note that the weight of emphasis within the reports is on [Denis and Greg] as alleged perpetrators with less emphasis on the possibility of specific others being involved in alleged abuse."
A letter from the Senior Clinical Medical Officer Dr Carter to Dr Maitland is also published on the HGJ 28/12/13 post. Dated 3/2/1992, we can see that Hollie was just over 12 years old when this letter was written. He states: "There have also been concerns about Hollie's sexuality. Mr and Mrs Mackie asked me about the sexual behaviour of children with Down's Syndrome, her risks of fertility and the possible need for contraception when I saw them in June 1990. More recently staff at Beechwood have been concerned that when Hollie is playing sexually with other children she shows marked pelvic thrusting suggesting she has some sexual experience that would be inappropriate for a girl of her years. The school wrote to Mr and Mrs Mackie about this a couple of weeks ago." Interestingly, and as Dr Carter points out, Hollie's parents did not make comment to him about the letter from school. Dr Carter ends his letter with: "Hollie is showing good overall progress at school and she has never given any indication in discussions, to my knowledge, of her being exposed to inappropriate sexual experiences." So here is the confirmation that Hollie was not being abused but was in fact sexually active with boyfriend[s] at aged only 10. Moreover Hollie's parents knew this. There is nothing to suggest Hollie was unhappy or distressed in any way, as she absolutely would have been if it was true that she was being raped. Anne Greig and Robert Green have been shamefully word twisting and misrepresenting what is stated in the various documents that are published to paint a picture of gang rape.
It should be noted that sexually inappropriate behaviour is common in children with Down's Syndrome [and certain other mental retardation problems]. There is plenty of evidence to support this. See here http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/the-hollie-greig-hoax/ for more and for a synopsis of the HG campaign, including analysis of the 'evidence'.
Panorama investigator Mark Daly told Robert & Anne that he could not run with the story. Robert claims it was because Daly said he would lose his job. Robert will not give permission to Mark Daly to release the tapes of the conversation they had. Listening to these tapes would very clearly determine exactly WHO is lying. This is Mark Daly's statement: "I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.
After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle." See Mark Daly v Robert Green here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC_bV_xkuwg
Green accuses the Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini QC of a cover up. According to a letter dated 4th December '09 from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, "All key decisions in relation to prosecution in Hollie's case in 2000 and 2001 were taken before or after the Lord Advocate's time as Regional Procurator Fiscal in Grampian and were taken by other senior prosecutors." So Elish Angiolini had nothing to do with the case. See here http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/the-hollie-greig-hoax/ for the verdict in Elish Angiolini's defamation case against RG. Lord Bannatyne rules Green has no defence. But that doesn’t stop Green and his contemptible cronies; they just declare the court corrupt and part of the cover up! The fact that there is no evidence of that either doesn’t bother them.
The CICA [Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority] was told a doctor [P] had examined Hollie and "found evidence of penetration of [Hollie's] private parts". There was no evidence to suggest with whom. [Ref p 11 of the PCCS report.] Detective Inspector V states, "on the balance of probability, that [Hollie] was sexually abused" but "there was never a sufficiency of corroborative evidence to make prosecution of any viable person." Given that the police were almost certainly unaware that Hollie had a boyfriend, it is not surprising they would have to conclude that she must have been sexually abused. However it has also been suggested by Mr G, a Police Support Officer, that "previous penetration did not mean sexual abuse and to illustrate this he stated that children may injure themselves internally while playing" [p30 of the PCCS report]. Miss W, the representative from the support organisation who acted on Hollie's behalf at the CICA hearing said she was "taken aback by the difference between what was said by Mr G and what she understood the police evidence would be" [p21].
AG could provide evidence of this sexual abuse if she published Hollie's medical notes. Why doesn't she? She says that it is documented in medical records that Hollie was penetrated anally. She tells Tony Legend, Manchester Radio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqN1-3CIqQw via a Butlincat video that Hollie told the police that she suffered anal sex from these paedos and as a result had a fissure which caused red mucous to come from her bottom. Despite Tony Legend stating that AG had shown him "document after document supporting her story, including medical records and autopsy reports" none of it is published! See also the Butlincat write up. Where's the evidence???
Anne Greig might be able to convince us that she'd suffered domestic violence from Denis if she published her medical records. Why doesn't she? [She alleges that she was "covered in bruises and had a broken finger". See Complaint 3 p15 and 16 of the PCCS report.]
CICA – using a burden of proof far lower than that which would be required for a criminal conviction, "beyond reasonable doubt" – decided to make the award in 2005.
As for AG's complaint 6 [p19], Deputy Chief Constable Y tells AG: "Detective Sergeant F interviewed [Hollie] in the presence of an 'Appropriate Adult'. Both had some reservations regarding the manner in which [Hollie] disclosed a lengthy list of people who I understand you believe may have abused [Hollie]. Further questions to help establish whether [Hollie] understood what telling the truth meant did not result in a position where those present were comfortable with accuracy of the general allegations being made."
See the letter showing that DC Leanne Davidson "confirmed that Mrs Mackie is continually making allegations to the police about people abusing Hollie. She is adding to this list of people all the time. Leanne feels that Mrs Mackie is putting words into Hollie's mouth." http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/the-hollie-greig-hoax/
The allegations of a paedophile ring have been investigated twice.
Grampian Police interviewed Hollie and her mother several times from 2000 onward and filed a report with the procurator-fiscal in Aberdeen. Detective Sergeant F informed AG that, "with the exception of relative A [Hollie's brother Greg] there was no evidence to justify further enquiry in relation to the individuals named." Through Interpol, Greg, was "traced and interviewed on 9th January 2002, after which he was released without charge due to the absence of evidence" [ref PCCS report p10 and p19]. Detective Sergeant F carried out "background checks on all the individuals concerned to establish if there was any other basis upon which to proceed - there was nothing found as a result of these checks which supported the position" [p 19 of the PCCS]. See also http://victimsagainsthoaxes.co.uk/the-hollie-greig-hoax/
Different officers re-investigated the claims in 2009 after the case blew up on the internet. They filed another report to the procurator-fiscal.
Many in 'Hollie's Army' believe reports to the fiscal amount to evidence of wrongdoing, but there is no suggestion the reports contained such evidence. A subject sheet sent to the Procurator Fiscal on 8th March 2002 provided information regarding the circumstances of the enquiry and the rationale not to interview the list of people previously named. [Ref CPPS report p10.]
Anne Greig formally complained to Grampian Police about the first investigation, as well as about a series of other allegations she made, including the murder of her brother. The complaint most cited by her supporters is the failure of police to interview more than one of the 22 people named by Hollie. However, A Greig's complaints were investigated and dismissed. The force's handling of the complaints was upheld by the PCCS [Scotland's independent police watchdog] in 2008.
Hollie allegedly reported that her uncle had seen her abused by another relative. However, Hollie's uncle, Roy or Robert Greig, took his own life in 1997. His car caught fire near Balmedie, north of Aberdeen, as he tried to kill himself with exhaust fumes. A passer-by pulled him out of the car and resuscitated him.
A post-mortem examination showed Roy Greig had broken ribs and a bruise to the back of his head. Both are consistent with attempts to revive him. Green and Anne Greig believe he was murdered [that he was "repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle"] to stop him talking. Stuart Usher on the Paul Drocton Show confirmed the autopsy stated Roy suffered a simple bump on the head [contusion]. Anne and Robert said the autopsy was taken to an 'expert' for an informal interpretation report. They said the report showed 'murder' was the most likely outcome. Why doesn't Anne or Robert publish that report? Anne said her brother had no reason to commit suicide and therefore the coroner's verdict could not be true. Mark Daly found that Roy did have reason to kill himself as he had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing.
AG did not see fit to mention to the police [Detective Sergeant F] that she believed Roy was murdered and why. In the PCCS report on p22 Superintendent J states in his Subject Report that AG "did not specifically allege that there was anything sinister in Roy's death." In fact the claims that there was a connection between Roy's death and the alleged abuse of Hollie seems to be an afterthought. Supt J states that there was no evidence from officers who had been involved with AG in the past that she raised concerns that the death of Roy was connected with him allegedly witnessing Denis abusing Hollie. It is stated in the PCCS report on p 30: "This was raised as a broad concern by [AG] in her statement of complaint."
As for AG's complaint with regards fraud in relation to Roy's estate, we might ask why AG did not raise the issue in her original statement [p12 of the PCCS report "... information regarding an historic fraud enquiry to Superintendent J on 10 October 2006. He responded to [AG] on 13 October 2006, stating that the information contained in her fax had not been touched on in her original statement."] Also, why she could not be accurate about dates [p7 "It is evident that Detective Constable L and detective Constable M visited [AG] re allegations of fraud. [AG] told Supt J that this meeting occurred in January 2004. However, Supt J states in the Subject Report that the officers believe that this meeting occurred in 2001 or 2002."] Further AG cannot give detailed information. Detective Inspector Z, Head of the Fraud squad, states that AG was "unhappy with the value of assets she'd received re Roy's estate but that she was not able to identify what assets remained unaccounted for and as such a police investigation would not have been appropriate" [p14 and 25].
Robert Green says in his blog http://holliedemandsjustice-robertgreensblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/death-of-robert-david-greig.html on 11th January 2012: "When the autopsy finally arrived, it stated that Roy`s sternum, one of the body`s strongest bones, had been broken, along with several ribs and damage to the skull, consistent with having been badly beaten." Also: "Sylvester Cadger had been given an award for his bravery in trying to rescue Roy by the Royal Humane Society, which posed yet another question. In order to receive such an award his action must have been witnessed. It was not a member of the emergency services, although a later newspaper report mentioned a "passing nurse", odd in itself given the remoteness of the spot. However, there seems to be no record at all of this elusive individual, The Royal Humane Society does not know, the police do not know and Sylvester Cadger refuses to answer. Now Mr McGeechan, at the Crown office, has refused to disclose the identity of this person, always assuming that the individual actually exists." Also: "I disclosed my concern about Sylvester Cadger`s role in Roy`s death. My suspicions were raised further when both the transcripts which arrived later from the Police and Crown Office had omitted the entire mention of Mr Cadger. When challenged, both stated that no omissions had been made and that the transcripts were faithful to the contents of the tape. Thanks to my solicitor, Mr Gerry Sweeney, who successfully pressed to obtain the tape, there was the section about Syvester Cadger. Why did the Police and Crown Office omit and then lie about it? No other section had been tampered with."
WHY DOESN'T ROBERT GREEN PUBLISH THE AUTOPSY REPORT, THE TWO TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE POLICE AND CROWN OFFICE, THE TAPE RECORDING, THE STATEMENTS FROM THE POLICE AND CROWN OFFICE THAT NO OMISSIONS HAD BEEN MADE AND THE NEWSPAPER REPORT??? According to HDJ.org [5/3/2013] "A report states as a result of rescuing Robert Greig he sustained burns to his hands." Also "According to the autopsy, Robert Greig did not receive first, second or third degree burns." WHY DON'T THEY PUBLISH THESE REPORTS?
Robert Green's "Death of Robert Greig" blog is published here, just in case the odious liar removes it. See here http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/a-1000-piece-jigsaw-is-now-coming-together/ for more on Sylvester Cadger.
Green also says in the same blog: "It had come to light that Hollie's father successfully claimed £51,000 from the Scottish Widows, through a solicitor named by Hollie, on a life insurance policy taken on his brother-in-law's life." Well, where is the evidence for this? And how was it possible for Hollie's father to take out a life insurance policy on Anne's brother when Anne was his next of kin?
See Greg L-W blog, under Robert [Roy] Greig Embezzlement for more https://holliegreigetc.wordpress.com/tag/anne-greig/page/2/
See also the 4/5/2013 post on http://holliedemandsjustice.org/content/a-still-smoking-car-fire/ under the title A STILL SMOKING CAR FIRE. HDJ.org state: "The latest from the police in response to a FOI request in 2013 is that Roy's death was 'accidental'." Also: "Anne has continued to press Grampian police and fire service as to why they so rapidly ruled out foul play and decided they did not need to investigate further. They told her "it was clear no-one else was involved"." Quotes appear to have been plucked from thin air again! There is no reference to any official document. Why don't they publish official documents to back up their story, considering they are now well and truly backed up in a corner, desperately trying to convince the public that they speak the truth. They also state: "Then in 2011, Anne managed to obtain the fire-report, a likewise very revealing document." So why don't they publish it??? Further down this post, HDJ summarise as follows:
1] Back in 1997 the fire service had said "the police are treating this incident as suicide ... it is clear the fatality tried to kill himself ..." but in 2013 the police are now saying that Robert David Greig's death was "accidental";
2] Grampian Police maintain that Grampian Fire & Rescue Service hold all the information on the incident;
3] Grampian Fire & Rescue Service however say no information is being held by them;
4] the all-important toxicology report is being withheld by the pathologist, Dr Grieve;
5] The Procurator Fiscal who is responsible for prosecutions in Scotland claims no longer to be holding any documents on the case.